A final report on the visit by FAC to Holyrood via Celtic Trust

Published on Tuesday 30th April, 2013 by Celtic TrustFans Against Criminalisation

John gives his extended reflections on the discussions of that day

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bigotry law produces 55 convictions in first 10 months – Joke Act

So are we meant to be impressed by those figures ? 5.5 convictions per roughly 230,000 people per month is a bit crap if you want to claim that this ‘bigotry law’ is working.

Here is a good question: How many of those convicted could have been convicted in law under the pre ‘Anti Bigotry’ laws ? Continue reading “bigotry law produces 55 convictions in first 10 months – Joke Act”

Statue debate is a distraction.

I noticed today there is a bit of a debate surrounding a proposed statue dedicated to Celt’s For Change. My personal opinion is this. I don’t and could not care less about statues outside Celtic park. Don’t get me wrong it’s nice to commemorate important Celtic people or groups but we have a bigger problem to sort out just now.

We should not be getting bogged down is silly infighting over a statue when we are still waiting for answers from this current board on their relationship with Strathclyde Police now Police Scotland. We are still waiting on answers to why this current board seem reluctant to back Celtic supporters who are being harassed by the Police for alleged ‘Thought crimes’.

So if we are going to have an internal debate in my opinion it should be about this current issue which is far more important to the well being of the entire club than who’s said what regarding Celts for change and what statues people want.

We need this ‘communication’ problem with the board sorted out ASAP, then we can argue about statues.

Hail,Hail

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FAC Group At Hollyrood with Images.

First of all thanks to Fans Against Criminalisation for giving us the chance to tell MSP’s exactly what we thought about the Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012 brought in last year and telling a couple of them what they could do with it. In a polite manner of course. Special thanks also to Siobhan McMahon Labour MSP for her hospitality and support, it was much appreciated. Continue reading “FAC Group At Hollyrood with Images.”

‘Kill the Bill’

There are age old connections which associate with being Scottish, Bravery & Pride being the most recognisable   fac kill the billconnections throughout history & all over the World. It takes a brave man to swallow his pride & admit when he has got it wrong, especially when he seeks support to lead a nation in a free and Independent way.
 
Mr Salmond & his SNP government seek a mandate from the Scottish people to trust in his judgement & to believe that what he intends to offer will take all of his people with him on a historical journey, a journey the likes of which as Scots we have never seen before.
 
The Offensive behaviour & Communications in football bill, is an act deemed unnecessary and unworkable by a majority of people, a majority of which he asks their commitment to his new vision. 
 
Now he must show that leadership quality by simply admitting when he gets it wrong & by showing that well acknowledged Scottish Courage with the bravery to reconsider a flawed installment hurriedly placed in the law book & by then removing it to consign it to a bin marked tried, tested & failed. 
 
There would be no shame in such an action, I would submit, rather it would resound of a listening leader, a leader who listens to his people. That for me, would be a show of true strength, the Scottish historical character. 
 
‘Scotland the Brave’ is not solely about muscle or might.
 
Mr Salmond would do well to show common sense & much consideration when hearing the voices of the people requesting he is brave enough to lead without ego, stubbornness or indeed unfairness.
 
The Scottish people want to believe in freedom but that freedom must register & must also be accepted in complaint and then fitting action to address it. An act which criminalises football fans across the board to the great discomfort of many an academic voice, must be reviewed as hastily as it was designed. There is no need for the snow drift to grow into an avalanche.
 
Mr Salmond should himself know that the Scottish people, lots of them simply hard working non criminal individuals, consider the final and true aspiration to govern over the Independence of those people, will be seen & or gained, without the prospect of dictatorship ever being perceived on display, but rather, by democratic decisions made & a willingness to accept that a leader can also be wrong & then correcting.
 
Mr Salmond would do well to remember that pride very often comes before a fall, for this act/bill/law quite clearly could indeed become the jagged thistle that see’s true Independence slip from a long awaited grasp to the detriment of the very people who for so long have demanded it. 
 
Do not take the Scottish people for granted Sir, for they may well then decide to stay & suffer with the historical devil they have known, rather than the uncertain, unknown future with a man who would be King, if only for a day.
 
‘Kill the Bill’ lest it kills a true Scottish freedom !
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FOR FCUK’S SAKE

I simply can not fcuking believe it.  My life seems full to overflowing with flabergastation (now there IS an Americanism if you ever saw one) of late.  A month or so ago we had the conclusion of the commission held under the “impartial” auspices of the “honourable”, for one must not judge lest he become the judged, Lord Nimmo Smith and friends (of Rangers could we say or might we be told to fcuk off).  The subsequent silence from previously vociferous quarters announcing imminent Armageddon was not just deafening but deafeningly defining.  Then, of course we had the recent “rioting” by – how many was it, three? – at Dundee.

 

More recently we had The Gallowgate Boston Tea Party.  Examining the “uprising” on the “quiet” streets of Glasgow in the context of the American protests of December 16th 1773 provides, in my bizarre imagination anyway, some weak tea correlation between that event and the new crowd-control phenomenon of “kettling” (sounds like bringing what was perfectly cold and stable to boiling point to me, possibly a very apt description of what took place in Glasgow) which was used, or should one say overused, very effectively to antagonise demonstrably peaceful demonstrators and to deprive ordinary decent citizens of their civil liberties and the right to protest against blatant injustice – sorry, blatant stupidity.  It would go some way to making restitution if the authorities recognised, as history has done in the case of Boston, that the peaceful actions of 16th March 2013 in Glasgow’s city centre were unquestionably for a righteous cause.  However, it has to be acknowledged that we will never know all the facts that led to the reaction of the police.  There are several scenarios two of which may provide some answers.  It is known that the response teams were readily available because of their presence at the nearby right wing demonstration and not because of some conspiratorial preparation.  Had this not been the case then perhaps the police numbers immediately available might not have been so numerous.  The second point to be made in favour of the police is that they are often merely carrying out orders which may be dictated by the specific intentions of someone in higher authority.  There are certainly accusations on both sides as to the cause of the kettling and while the evidence to hand would seem to confirm police over reaction this must be balanced by the actual illegality of the actual event and the unknown agenda that instigated the police response.  It is unlikely that we will ever get to the bottom of police orders just as the evidence of the supporters may not necessarily disclose all that was perpetrated by individuals.  Not withstanding any of this, there are certainly issues surrounding the whole legislation and I have good cause to believe that the ordinary bobby feels as  strongly opposed to the imposition of it as they are frustrated by the confusion it causes as any football supporters.  What is a problem for Celtic supporters in particular is that many of our own do not recognise the insidiousness of this law and look to target the behaviour of The Green Brigade rather than oppose the unnecessary and ridiculous legislation.  This same support seems not to recognise or understand the need to oppose legislation that specifically targets and suppresses the legitimate behaviour of all football fans but more especially if that targeting is selective within its own club support.  It would appear that the lack of physical presence for the demonstration in George Square on 6th April indicates a similar attitude from the Celtic board in spite of their apparent verbal protestations against the legislation.  In conclusion, if an event is illegal it does not in itself give the police cart blanch to act with aggression and violence if that is what happened.  The police are not meant to be an army of Frankensteins, hell bent on creating monsters from the unsuspecting and the unprepared.  Law, as I was reared to understand it, is meant to be a safeguard and the police there to enforce and uphold it for the protection of all citizens.  It is not a cudgel with which to club or browbeat a chief constable’s personal and political agenda into the heads of those who disagree with it.  It would seem there are those in high places who think it is and there are those too lily-livered to oppose their abuse of power – witness the whole negotiation scenario surrounding preparations and post event organisation for George’s Square and afterwards on Saturday, 6th April.

 

And now to last week when we are informed that Neil Lennon, manager of Celtic Football Club, has offended the delicacy of football players, fans and T.V. audiences and brought disrepute to the unblemished game by using what are euphemistically called “swear words” or “cursing”.  A trip to a good dictionary will clarify that the lack of vocabulary expressed by Mr. Lennon can in no way be interpreted as “swearing” or “cursing” in the true definition of these words.  Can I just say that if these words are so offensive to delicate ears then most modern television programmes and movies should only be watched wearing ear muffs.  They have become almost household in their commonness on screens.  Actors have become so fluent in old fashioned expletives that they are now regarded as colourfully expressive literary dialogue, up there with Willie Shakespeare plays and the best names in English literature.  Yet it seems these same words used by Mr. Lennon were deemed not to be expletively emphatic but rather to be unacceptably offensive to the fragile ears of the footballing community in St. Mirren Park and elsewhere.  I watched the archive footage of the match on Celtic TV the Monday afterwards and I have to say that Mr. Lennon’s only fault, as far as I heard, would appear to be how limited his expressive dialogue with Jim Goodwin seemed to be.  I have heard longer and more embellished tirades of colourful language used in primary school banter.  And are we to believe that St. Mirren Park is the only arena to have experienced such language and Mr. Lennon the only “offender“.  In my own supporting days I can guarantee to have heard and (blushing) used as brightly shaded and more deeply coloured expressions of the English language in numerous stadiums throughout Scotland, the U.K., Europe and even the world.  Any decent lip reader will confirm its use in every square inch of a football stadium and by every section of people therein as seen each time a game is shown on T.V.  I would go as far as to maintain that anyone with eyes to see or ears to hear will have learned more foreign language expletives than any other foreign language vocabulary simply through watching football on T.V.  I am quite certain that if we were technically competent, similar local verbal specialities would be quite common on the playing fields of the most distant galaxies.  Certainly I have heard both large and small, broad and tall in an extensive array of colours use “technical” terms not found in a dictionary to emphasise their emotions.  I have heard them frequently on and off the pitch, among staff, players and watchers at Celtic Park over many years.  I will refrain from commenting on the newest club in Scottish football as I have not listened to nor witnessed any of their incomparable games.  It could well be that their charismatic and highly influential C.E.O. has managed to stamp out such verbal atrocities along with the bigotry, sectarianism and violence, miraculously (as with so many “negative” components of that club) never picked up by mics or caught by T.V. cameras.  We do know it was never used by any managers of that club in the past, at least none that were reported – surprise, surprise.

 

Nor am I convinced that such language is limited to football as history records a considerable amount of fcuking taking place in the sport of kings, queens and concubines.  And many a “bastard” has made his mark in the annals as a consequence.

 

In truth, it is more likely the delicate flowers of Hampden have decided they must find Mr. Lennon guilty of some misdemeanour.  It irks them beyond tolerance that he has gone for so long without offending them.  They simply will not accept that he behaves appropriately when not incensed by certain confrontational individuals.  Their minds and hearts simply will not accept such reformation in Mr. Lennon.  The image is not fit for purpose, their purpose.  So, without any justification for pulling him up for football infringements, they have turned, for the first time ever in football history, to blasphemy and sent him to Pilate Lunny for trial.  He will no doubt scrub his hands with carbolic soap as he recommends that Mr. Lennon be crucified even though he finds the man has done no wrong.  No doubt it will be a good excuse to once more release Barabbas Green in spite of his outrageously rebellious and profane tirades, his defamations of authorities, his outrageously selfish “negotiations” and his manipulative and underhand shenanigans.  Is it not strange, no probably not, how delicate ears can be variously affected not by what is said but by what they wish to hear?  And so it is that the priority in the current state of Scottish football is unquestionably the re-establishment of queen’s English.  Of course, for all right thinking folk, there is nothing in the game so much in need of reform at this present time.  Yet, somehow one gets the feeling in one’s cynical bones that once Mr. Lennon has been dealt with, the gurus will without doubt reassess the problem of correct vocabulary and conclude it is a very minor issue in a sport not renowned for its oratorical expertise.  The one sure-fire certainty is we will never hear of another case again.

 

Come on.  What else do you expect for fcuk’s sake?

By Pensioner Bhoy

Police Scotland Uncooperative over FAC March

This is basically outrageous and proves that Police Scotland have no time for peaceful Celtic Fans.Fans Against Criminalisation

From the Celtic Trust Website

http://www.celtictrust.net/?func=d_home_article&id=410

FAC statement re Rally

Published on Friday 5th April, 2013 by Celtic Trust Continue reading “Police Scotland Uncooperative over FAC March”

FAC Demo more important than Sevco

The latest revelations from the pantomime of the century is most enjoyable and really quite funny however tomorrows FAC Demo is what

FAC public demo 06-04-2013
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we really should be concentrating on.

It’s vitally important for that as many supporters as possible turn out at George Square tomorrow. Not everyone uses social media so please take the time to call or text your friends and family and let them know about the demo. Continue reading “FAC Demo more important than Sevco”

Update on Arrangements for FAC Rally on Saturday 6th April

Arrangements for the Fans against Criminalisation Rally on Saturday in George Square are moving towards completion.  Assemble at 12

FAC public demo 06-04-2013
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and the speakers will begin at 12.30. The Rally will be introduced by a FAC representative and confirmed speakers are Michael McMahon MSP and Jeanette Findlay, FAC.   We hope to have a legal/civil rights speaker but that is still to be finalised.  We have discussed the arrangements for the use of the Square with Glasgow City Council (including the speakers’ platform and a sound system) and discussions continue regarding the movement of fans from George Square to Celtic Park afterwards.

From http://fansagainstcriminalisation.blogspot.ie/2013/04/update-on-arrangements-for-fac-rally-on.html

See you all there on Saturday, Hail, Hail

FAC Demo Doomed To Fail

FAC public demo 06-04-2013
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Saturday’s Fans Against Criminalisation demo to be held in George Square, Glasgow at 12.00 noon is doomed to fail and nothing will change.

However that is only if fans do not bother to turn up. It is vitally important that as many supporters as possible make it to the square for 12.00 on Saturday. Many supporters have a bit of travelling to do in order to attend Celtic games but it would be great if these fellow supporters could leave home a bit earlier if at all possible to help fill the square.

If we can get 10,000 + in the square that would send out a clear message that the current harassment of football fans must end and the Offensive behavior at football part of the Bill must be repealed. The other benefit of a large turnout would be to ensure the demo makes the national UK mainstream news shows. We know we will be well represented on the web by our bloggers etc but making the national news would be a great bonus and help heap more pressure on the Scottish government to scrap this useless and undemocratic piece of legislation.

So please if you can make it come and stand with your fellow supporters and help bring an end to the harassment of football supporters.

Thank You

PS. Sorry about the tabloid type headline we just want to catch as many fans attention as possible 🙂